how he would reduce the deficit? by when? did anyone ask? >> i mean, there's two components to his tax reform plan. one is a huge tax cut, which is going to add up to $5 trillion. and the other is to pay for it. so he's been explicit about one part, which is the tax cut. he hasn't been detailed about the last part. but obama never pressed him on this. that's your point. these are 90-minute forums, they're highly intense. >> you just did it, mika, so why couldn't he? >> that's what i'm wondering. >> everybody out there, democrats were yelling at the camera. >> because it's been the conversation for a month. and for the president not to know -- >> it's stunning, isn't it, sam? it's stunning. but mike, you know, if romney is moving to the center, if he is changing his positions, that's probably good for him electorally. usually candidates do that -- every candidate does that at the convention. mitt romney seemed to do it in the middle of his first debate. >> yeah, well, he could have done it at the convention and no one would have noticed given